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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ

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associate professor of computational cognitive science · she/they · cypriot/kıbrıslı/κυπραία · σὺν Ἀθηνᾷ καὶ χεῖρα κίνει

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Joined August 19, 2018
Personal website:
https://olivia.science
Group website:
https://metatheory.space
GitHub:
https://github.com/oliviaguest
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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 2mo ago
Open Letter: Stop the Uncritical Adoption of AI Technologies in Academia It's been a year & people tell me they've changed their mind, feel safer now to sign, etc. So I'm sharing it again for them. We're almost at 2k & anybody from anywhere can add their names. https://openletter.earth/open-letter-stop-the-uncritical-adoption-of-ai-technologies-in-academia-b65bba1e?limit=0
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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 2mo ago
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Like with entryism & related sabotage, it's easy for experts to spot. I explained how at the top.

Is it intentional? You can decide:

who plows on regardless, who does not listen to feedback, who materially and not just ideologically aligns with the AI companies.

https://olivia.science/entryism/

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AI entryism subverts anti AI critique.

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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 2mo ago

OK, it's honestly very distressing and worrying and I have ADHD, so I wrote it all down to get it out of my head

https://olivia.science/entryism/

Enjoy, I guess...

Now that being against AI in an informed way is becoming mainstream, we need to be aware of entryism: the long-term strategy deployed by pro AI people or entities, like companies, to subvert such movements.

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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 5mo ago

RE: https://scholar.social/@olivia/116311635914645389

> The controversy associated with the statement “Ada Lovelace was the first computer programmer” reveals more about modern attitudes towards women [than her] achievements. [Her 1843 algorithm] was so advanced, that it was still utilised in record-breaking computation of Bernoulli numbers in 2008.

https://blue-stocking.org.uk/2024/06/14/ada-lovelace-the-first-computer-programmer/

Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ (@olivia@scholar.social)
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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ (@olivia@scholar.social)

Attached: 2 images "The Analytical Engine has no pretensions whatever to originate any thing. It can do whatever we know how to order it to perform. It [cannot] anticipat[e] any analytical relations or truths. Its province is to assist us in making available what we are already acquainted with." — Ada Lovelace, 1843 https://archive.org/details/adaenchantressof00tool/page/n191/mode/2up

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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 2mo ago
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It's so core to the technology that things like Pygmalion displacement (https://doi.org/10.31235/osf.io/jqxb6) pretending the Turing test (https://olivia.science/turing/) did not contain gender, and much more, happen right under our noses. https://scholar.social/@olivia/116941172719719192 3/n
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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ
@olivia@scholar.social
@jonny@neuromatch.social relevant 💀 Pygmalion displacement 💀 https://doi.org/10.31235/osf.io/jqxb6
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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 2mo ago
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This has been happening for a long time: this is why we already coined "manel" and so many other related terms, like cryptogyny above, to trace and deal with this form of sexism. As with everything under AI, this is turbo charged by the technology because its logics are themselves superficial. https://olivia.science/entryism 2/n
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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 3mo ago
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Maybe many mid-career and above academics have my experience, and so can relate, but it never ever gets any less impressive, overwhelming, or old when a student appears our of nowhere (notice our geographic distance is big as are our official fields not that overlapping) and does amazing work! 🤩 2/
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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 3mo ago
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We argue that both misdiagnose the problem as the issue is not whether or not LLMs work, but what kind of working is happening and at whose cost. Drawing on meta-theoretical frameworks of cognitive science, feminist labor analysis and critical pedagogy, we propose a conceptual reorientation.

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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 5mo ago
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OK, let's talk about 3 important concepts: ANNs, LLMs, & AI: "Definitions of AI and LLM are hard to pin down [&] ANN is an umbrella term for models" Black box: Really not what people think because actually you can open it (read on in the PDF to find out) by design! Leibniz' Mill: "argument against the idea that mechanical components suffice to understand cognition" All are important & misused (1st 2) or forgotten about (last) to pretend we don't understand AI. https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.20071869 4/
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Understanding Artificial Neural Networks: Mysterianism about Known Mechanism is Mysticism

Mysterianism is the idea that human cognition, mind, cannot be understood. Taking this concept and applying it to known mechanism — such that claims are made that we do not know how engineered systems, such as artificial neural networks (ANNs), work, or that they constitute black boxes that we can only open with difficulty — is inappropriate at best and malicious at worst. We do know the mechanistic structure of such models because we designed and built them. We also do know their functional rol

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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 5mo ago

@samhforbes@scholar.social and I:

> LLMs are labor intensive, are economically infeasible, and pollute the environment, and these properties may outweigh any proposed benefits. For example, poor quality air directly harms human cognition, and thus has compounding effects on educators' and pupils' ability to teach and learn.

To Improve Literacy, Improve Equality in Education, Not Large Language Models https://doi.org/10.1111/cogs.70058

Wiley Online Library

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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 5mo ago
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This hangs with the other statements in fig 1: 1️⃣ ANNs (artificial neural networks) are inspired by human organism 2️⃣ ANNs are a black box we don't understand 3️⃣ We understand neither ANNs nor cognition therefore they are similar All 3 are misplaced! We unpack this... https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.20071869 3/
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Understanding Artificial Neural Networks: Mysterianism about Known Mechanism is Mysticism

Mysterianism is the idea that human cognition, mind, cannot be understood. Taking this concept and applying it to known mechanism — such that claims are made that we do not know how engineered systems, such as artificial neural networks (ANNs), work, or that they constitute black boxes that we can only open with difficulty — is inappropriate at best and malicious at worst. We do know the mechanistic structure of such models because we designed and built them. We also do know their functional rol

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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 2mo ago
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@jonny@neuromatch.social relevant 💀 Pygmalion displacement 💀 https://doi.org/10.31235/osf.io/jqxb6
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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 3mo ago
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Anyway, back to the work itself (from the abstract):

Critical discourse on large language models (LLMs) has bifurcated between epistemic dismissal [...] and pragmatic accommodation that treats LLM capability improvements as grounds for updating the critique.

https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.21222978

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Contra Literacy-Laundering: Mechanistic Critical AI Literacy

Critical discourse on large language models (LLMs) has bifurcated between epistemic dismissal that invokes some form of the stochastic parrot metaphor to puncture hype, and pragmatic accommodation that treats LLM capability improvements as grounds for updating the critique. We argue that both misdiagnose the problem as the issue is not whether or not LLMs work, but what kind of working is happening and at whose cost. Drawing on meta-theoretical frameworks of cognitive science, feminist labor ana

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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 5mo ago

Touched grass today, but the cool kids were eating it

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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 5mo ago

If a guy named Geoffrey Jefferson can figure this out in 1949...

"The mind of mechanical man." British Medical Journal

https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.1.4616.1105

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The Mind of Mechanical Man
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The Mind of Mechanical Man

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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 5mo ago
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Or to put it a different way: Why do we tolerate these claims? And even accept them as excuses? Or as a new normal?

The dramatic irony here is [that companies and scientists] are willing to go on record saying they do not know how these models work @CyberneticForests@assemblag.es

https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.20071869

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Understanding Artificial Neural Networks: Mysterianism about Known Mechanism is Mysticism

Mysterianism is the idea that human cognition, mind, cannot be understood. Taking this concept and applying it to known mechanism — such that claims are made that we do not know how engineered systems, such as artificial neural networks (ANNs), work, or that they constitute black boxes that we can only open with difficulty — is inappropriate at best and malicious at worst. We do know the mechanistic structure of such models because we designed and built them. We also do know their functional rol

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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 5mo ago

Thank you to all who did the translating of our Open Letter: Stop the Uncritical Adoption of AI Technologies in Academia — can't believe we have: Brazilian Portuguese, Dutch, French, German, Italian, Spanish 💥‼️

✍️ sign here: https://openletter.earth/open-letter-stop-the-uncritical-adoption-of-ai-technologies-in-academia-b65bba1e?limit=0

🌏 all languages here: https://olivia.science/ai/#activism

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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 5mo ago
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To address these confusions, we must consider how:

In a world where the technology industry and even our colleagues reject theory building, through ignorance, mockery, and semantic shell games, we can subvert their feigned lack of understanding to our advantage. Scientific theorising has more not less value in times of scarce deep thinking, thought-less technosolutionism, and obfuscation of the cognitive.

https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.20071869

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Zenodo

Understanding Artificial Neural Networks: Mysterianism about Known Mechanism is Mysticism

Mysterianism is the idea that human cognition, mind, cannot be understood. Taking this concept and applying it to known mechanism — such that claims are made that we do not know how engineered systems, such as artificial neural networks (ANNs), work, or that they constitute black boxes that we can only open with difficulty — is inappropriate at best and malicious at worst. We do know the mechanistic structure of such models because we designed and built them. We also do know their functional rol

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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 5mo ago
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(Lil peek ahead to appreciate the pun this enables in section 4 (see screenshot)! Right, back on track: before we use those 3 to tease apart what's going on, however, we have to contend with where we are. In 2010s we actually did avoid these traps, yes, even industry! “the most extreme promises of AI are based on a flawed premise: that we understand human intelligence” https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.20071869 5/
Zenodo

Understanding Artificial Neural Networks: Mysterianism about Known Mechanism is Mysticism

Mysterianism is the idea that human cognition, mind, cannot be understood. Taking this concept and applying it to known mechanism — such that claims are made that we do not know how engineered systems, such as artificial neural networks (ANNs), work, or that they constitute black boxes that we can only open with difficulty — is inappropriate at best and malicious at worst. We do know the mechanistic structure of such models because we designed and built them. We also do know their functional rol

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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 5mo ago
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Part of the answer is in this 💯 quote from Bryan Pfaffenberger: “Technology, in short, is a mystifying force of the first order[, ] suspending us in webs of significance that we ourselves create.” (p. 250) But there's nuance when it comes to "why" and ANNs... https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.20071869 8/
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Understanding Artificial Neural Networks: Mysterianism about Known Mechanism is Mysticism

Mysterianism is the idea that human cognition, mind, cannot be understood. Taking this concept and applying it to known mechanism — such that claims are made that we do not know how engineered systems, such as artificial neural networks (ANNs), work, or that they constitute black boxes that we can only open with difficulty — is inappropriate at best and malicious at worst. We do know the mechanistic structure of such models because we designed and built them. We also do know their functional rol

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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 5mo ago

reminder...

> Anybody can ‘win’ a marathon if driven by car. Does that make it a weakness of the marathon race as an endurance event? Or does it reflect a deeper category error on our behalf, like with the misapplication of statistical tests, that an assumption has been violated?

https://scholar.social/@olivia/115315373231397050

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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ (@olivia@scholar.social)

Attached: 3 images New preprint 🌟 Psychology is core to cognitive science, and so it is vital we preserve it from harmful frames. @Iris & I use our psych and computer science expertise to analyse and craft: Critical Artificial Intelligence Literacy for Psychologists. https://doi.org/10.31234/osf.io/dkrgj_v1 🧵 1/

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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 3mo ago
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The stochastic parrot [...] specifies what is forfeited when cognitive labor is delegated, who bears the cost, and why a literacy adequate to this moment must begin from the epistemology of those most harmed by the systems it describes.

https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.21222977

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Contra Literacy-Laundering: Mechanistic Critical AI Literacy

Critical discourse on large language models (LLMs) has bifurcated between epistemic dismissal that invokes some form of the stochastic parrot metaphor to puncture hype, and pragmatic accommodation that treats LLM capability improvements as grounds for updating the critique. We argue that both misdiagnose the problem as the issue is not whether or not LLMs work, but what kind of working is happening and at whose cost. Drawing on meta-theoretical frameworks of cognitive science, feminist labor ana

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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 3mo ago
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Oh, if people are also on LinkedIN (I am not so please I have no idea what is happening on there) — she is here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ishaniray0529 send her appreciation or whatever of the nice stuff people do on there ☺️ 7/
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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
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This is the issue with theoretical work these days. Data isn't collected as means unto itself unless we've lost the point of experiment & observation. Without explicit theory to house data it's meaningless. Duhem-Quine, underdetermination of theory of by data is lost on people.

https://olivia.science/theory

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What is a cognitive scientific theory?

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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 3mo ago
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We analyse this through 1️⃣ the cognitive: what is forfeit when statistical pattern-matching substitutes our thinking 2️⃣ the pedagogical: AI literacy as currently deployed is a symptom 3️⃣ the political: AI's infrastructure inherently naturalizes labor displacement pdf: https://zenodo.org/records/21222978/files/RayGuest2026.pdf?download=1 5/
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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
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Underlining, to help those who have not read the PDF yet: this paper is on understanding why people claim they do not understand; recall promise of an error theory in the abstract. And to do that we need to collect a few thoughts and concepts (Box 1 too) on the way. 2010s hype is described above, 2020s hype is... https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.20071869 6/
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Understanding Artificial Neural Networks: Mysterianism about Known Mechanism is Mysticism

Mysterianism is the idea that human cognition, mind, cannot be understood. Taking this concept and applying it to known mechanism — such that claims are made that we do not know how engineered systems, such as artificial neural networks (ANNs), work, or that they constitute black boxes that we can only open with difficulty — is inappropriate at best and malicious at worst. We do know the mechanistic structure of such models because we designed and built them. We also do know their functional rol

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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 2mo ago
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@Iveyline@mastodon.nz @silsby@hcommons.social thank you both for the kind words! 🫶🏼
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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
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OK, I will skip our examples & jump ahead a long way to highlight our error theory (= explanation on why we err when we reason this way; recall fig 1)! 1) confusion between map and territory 2) misunderstanding of understanding 3) no understanding can emerge from mechanism https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.20071869 9/
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Understanding Artificial Neural Networks: Mysterianism about Known Mechanism is Mysticism

Mysterianism is the idea that human cognition, mind, cannot be understood. Taking this concept and applying it to known mechanism — such that claims are made that we do not know how engineered systems, such as artificial neural networks (ANNs), work, or that they constitute black boxes that we can only open with difficulty — is inappropriate at best and malicious at worst. We do know the mechanistic structure of such models because we designed and built them. We also do know their functional rol

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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 3mo ago
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@danielscardoso@scholar.social @sejkko@mastodon.social Pita is a hilariously perfect surname for somebody who critiques the mainstream 🙂‍↕️
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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 3mo ago
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@abucci @Iris@scholar.social 🌿🤍
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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 5mo ago
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@drj@typo.social @mapto@masto.bg @CyberneticForests@assemblag.es him and Dennett are disappointingly bad on these issues
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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 2mo ago
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@sashag@anarres.family I don't know if you looked at the whole thread but for sure gender and race play a huge role, yes. And thanks for sharing.
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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
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@abucci @Iris@scholar.social also thank you so much for offering 🫡
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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
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@abucci I think @Iris@scholar.social has one?
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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
· 5mo ago
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@SeiriosB@mastodon.social Also Marcela is Mexican, but I know you also meant in Mexico. https://scholar.social/@olivia/116357032470708831
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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ (@olivia@scholar.social)

Attached: 1 image New-ish preprint! Marcela, @Iris, and I have been working on what CAIL means to showcase & propagate the idea of thinking very differently to tech industry norms on "artificial intelligence" Towards Critical Artificial Intelligence Literacies https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.17786243 1/

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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
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@librarysquirrel@sunny.garden @mapto@masto.bg @CyberneticForests@assemblag.es it has a bunch of names too because it's so common... see last lines in 3rd image https://scholar.social/@olivia/116543478951986061
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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ: "This hangs with the other statements in fig 1: 1…" - Scholar Social

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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
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@teixi@mastodon.social @andrea@scholar.social @Iris@scholar.social you'll like this https://scholar.social/@olivia/116380881064012882
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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ (@olivia@scholar.social)

Attached: 1 image @Iris covers the main points in her thread, but I just want to sign post a few things that I think are important — do just read the very short paper itself if you're curious as it's about 2 pages worth of main text / formalisms: > notions of MR have existed for millennia. 2/

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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
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@sharlatan@mastodon.social oh, nice, enjoy
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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
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@ojensen@hachyderm.io ahahaha I try not to open humans LMAO seems rude
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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
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@khinsen 😍 @Iris
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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
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@mapto@masto.bg @CyberneticForests@assemblag.es it's so common tho, depressing
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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
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@Compeuter@mastodon.social no prob! thank you so much!
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Olivia Guest · Ολίβια Γκεστ @olivia@scholar.social
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@s0@cathode.church thanks, I think I already fixed it in the pdf a while back but that's a good catch
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